DALLAS (AP) — Barry Biffle is juggling his day job as CEO of Frontier Airways when also working to help save a proposed merger with Spirit Airways that would produce the nation’s fifth-biggest carrier by some actions.

This figures to be a bounce-back again 12 months for airlines like Frontier that cater to leisure travelers. Immediately after two years of hunkering down for the duration of the pandemic, additional people today are traveling.

Biffle states the restoration in travel will help his Denver-dependent airline to return to profitability this summertime. And he’s puzzled by doubters, including investors who are shorting the stock — betting that the shares will fall in rate.

On the merger, Biffle suggests Frontier and Spirit are answering regulators’ thoughts, and he is not alarmed that several liberals in Congress are urging the Biden administration to consider a close glimpse at irrespective of whether the offer will harm shoppers.

The bigger impediment to a Frontier-Spirit offer is JetBlue Airways, which designed its individual $3.6 billion bid for Spirit previous week. JetBlue’s offer is greater than Frontier’s $2.9 billion bid, which was introduced in February.

Frontier declined to make Biffle offered just after the JetBlue announcement. In an interview days before, Biffle talked about regulatory assessment of the Frontier-Spirit merger proposal, vacation demand from customers and other subject areas with The Related Press. The solutions have been edited for size.

Q. Where by is travel need now?

A. We have gone from possibly the worst profits period at the beginning of Q1, in January and February, to just one of the most effective sales durations. Fare degrees and total income for every passenger in the early March time frame exceeded 2019 stages — above $120 per passenger. COVID has held every person back, but finally soon after two several years, it would seem folks are completely ready to get back again to their life.

Q. Why do you imagine that’s happening?

A. We have been conversing a good deal about the lousy side of inflation this inflation is pushed by increased incomes. We have never observed incomes leaping at the concentrations that they are, primarily at the base. That is offering you men and women cooped up for two several years seeking to get again to vacation, and they have acquired extra income than they have ever had.

Q. What does that indicate for Frontier?

A. Historically that would truly get you back to 2019 stages in revenue. You actually need to have a tiny additional although, sad to say, to deal with gasoline. But with that trajectory, we believe that that we can be rewarding by the summer time.

Q. The range of flyers has long gone up and down all through the pandemic. Is it challenging to routine the right selection of flights?

A. We ended up really optimistic about the restoration a year ago … but then the delta variant hit and we ended up caught with way far too considerably capacity. And we ended up likely to have a excellent fourth quarter, and then the omicron strike. We have seemed at other carriers — Alaska, for illustration — that has kept their potential constrained (whilst) we were running 90%, 95% of utilization in some intervals, and we have been punished for that. When (demand from customers) is terrific, it’s continue to not good in all the off-peak durations. When Fridays and Sundays are fantastic, Tuesdays and Wednesdays, not so significantly. Although spring break-Easter is nonetheless terrific, I really don’t nevertheless know how the initial two weeks of May perhaps are likely to be, I really do not still know how the initially two weeks in June are likely to be, I never know what the 2nd fifty percent of August is heading to search like, I really don’t know what September is heading to seem like.

Q. Frontier has an unusually substantial volume of quick-selling, given the quantity of shares out there. Why is that? (Shorter sellers borrow shares and sell them whilst arranging to replace the borrowed shares at a reduce value. They reduce funds if they ought to change shares at a greater cost.)

A. I’m not an qualified on it. I never run a hedge fund. It is extremely significant, and we are sitting close to watching it, form of scratching our head. Not certain I get it, and it looks really harmful simply because if you’re brief-offering our stock and the times to cover (substitute the borrowed shares) develop into a problem, which is what begun the entire GameStop craze, correct? I’m individually confused at why they consider this is a excellent concept.

Q. It’s been about two months because Frontier and Spirit declared strategies to merge. Any news about the identify of the new airline, the headquarters location and the management group?

A. No, we’re not organizing to announce any of that ahead of July. It’s going to choose some time to appear as a result of these matters and occur to the ideal summary.

Q. Are your people today chatting to antitrust regulators?

A. We have started the procedure and it is a quite ordinary course of action so considerably. This is likely to just take to the finish of the yr to complete. They have thoughts, and we will offer with them in thanks program.

Q. Do you have any rationale to feel they will problem the merger or need divestitures?

A. We have not listened to just about anything like that. Neither a person of us have dominant positions in LaGuardia or Reagan (airports). We just never have the things that you want to give up for the reason that it results in a monopoly.

Q. Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and other members of Congress questioned the administration to take a look at the offer intently. Does that fear you?

A. They did not arrive out opposing it. They are inquiring the administration to glance into if this is likely to raise fares to people. I have an understanding of their issue … a lot of of the mergers that have made the significant four in the United States (American, Delta, United and Southwest) prompted some issues for folks. I consider as they see the points, they are likely to see that (the Frontier-Spirit deal) is excellent for buyers.

Q. Let’s say the offer gets accredited. What is this new, put together airline heading to search like in five or 10 a long time?

A. In a number of years, I imagine we’ll have nationwide notoriety as the place to go for minimal fares and greatest price.

Q. What does that mean to shareholders?

A. There is $500 million in (EBITDA, or gross earnings) just in synergies from a merged firm. About a five-calendar year period, the two airlines had been heading to about double in size as very well … It is very good for the economic climate, it is excellent for the shareholders, and with any luck , — back again to your short-seller dilemma — we have proven all those people folks completely wrong.